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Old 03-15-2006, 05:12 PM   #1
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Disposable PCs - sub $500 machines

I was reading another thread about a $159 machine and it got my boxers in a twist.

Coming from the perspective of a one-time PC Manufacturer, I think these bargain machines have hurt the market and the consumers.

When I started building and shipping the GoPC line of Computers back about 10 years ago, I was making about $40 per thousand and could afford to put solid components in the machines and cover high end tech support. Then the Disposable PC came along... back then, it was the Packard Bells and eMachines. The immediate effect was that companies that had been buying our machines didn't leave us, they wanted us to match that pricing on our machines.

Of course, with a product's reputation on the line and the cost of tech support unchanging, the only real options were to stick to our guns and keep the quality components in the units OR do what everyone else was doing and source asian sources cheapie components for the units.

We decided to holkd our ground and keep our QC standards high to limit returns, warranty and CS costs. Through cretive control of our Integration Costs and some new improvements to the board and form factor designs, we were able to last a bit longer but eventually, our customers were wooed by lower costs and we began to loose them.

Interstingly, we witnessed a huge boom to the sub-500 market for a couple of years and then a huge amount of Bankruptcy and Closing of many of the sub-500 providers.

PB didn't survive and Dell, Gateway, HP and others that did survive came out with tarnished reputations for poor Quality Control and poor Customer Service. In fact, immediately Gateway was branded as having the WORST CS in the industry.

Then there was the rush for Consumer Cost Subsidies... your new PC came packaged with 1000 offers for services with long term agreements and contracts. This worked for a while with manufacturers that needed to keep their costs and quality up but needed a competitive price point. In the end, Consumers hated to be locked into the terms.

Now... today... with the advent of "down" or on-board manufacturing that includes the Vid, Sound, Data, Chip, Memory, Networking, Modem, etc... ALL integrated onto an extremely small form factor, your are again seeing a push for sub-500 machine that unfortunately LOWER long term servicability, reliability, repair and support.

In short, the Consumer is getting hosed. Stepping over a Dollar to save a Dime, sort to speak.

While I like a bargain and appreciate not being oversold, I think that there must be a balance between cost and quality.

My business suffered from these sub-500 machines. Customer satisfaction suffered. The Industry as a whole has suffered. The future of the industry has suffered and we are just recovering... just in time for another round of Disposable PCs.

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Old 03-15-2006, 07:25 PM   #2
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well said...
These sub 500 pcs are good though for the avg user who just checks email and uses word.
You get what you pay for in the long run though!
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Agreed!

I got a Dell for Christmas and I'm REALLY grateful for it but, I'm having to add stuff to it. So, if someone's not in the position to add more memory or a vid card... their kinda hosed!

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And therein lies the problem with Proprietary PC platforms, which IS the sub-$500 market.

Everything is "down"... the sound, the vid, the memory, the price and the ability to upgrade and repair.

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what about the positive side

$160 for a computer. can be good on some levels though. it gives most every one the chance to own a computer and be able to stay modern. now there is almost no reason not to own a computer. second, you can buy a bare bones kit for $100 - $200 bucks and save some money on your custome built. you can get a decent processor, second hard drive for backing up files, and extra ram. and what ever you dont want you can sell on ebay. and get part of the money back. then just use you mother board and graphics card. you have a cheap processor you can overclock, and ram to experiment overclocking with. if you mod computer cases, it is a blank case for parts, or a motherboard tray. free cd, or dvd burner. and extra power supply to sell or use.

let say i spend $200 on a bare bones kit. i keep only the processor and hard drive. well the processor new would probely cost me about $130 and the hard drive, well say 80 gig would cost me about $60. thats a grand total of $190 if i buy them seperatly. i can sell the case,ram,cd burner, motherboard,and power supply on ebay for probably $50 - $60. and i come out $50 cheaper than buying things seperatly.
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